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Jeff Krantz

Hi, Nancy,

As one whose job it once was to edit videos of Minister Louis Farrakhan for use in a close custody prison in NC, much of what you say resonates with that experience. I did usually wind up being required to edit about 2 or 3 minutes out of each 3 hour speech, but that was it! People were much more frightened of Farrakhan than his words merited. Still, there is little to argue with in the widely held conclusion that "religion" incites violence, no? (using "religion" in the Girardian sense..)

I have a book on my bedside table that I haven't started yet entitled "God Is Not Great - How Religion Poisons Everything." I suspect it's author would celebrate this list. Perhaps we're just approaching John Lennon's ideal.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Hmmm...

Jeff

nancy

Hey Jeff! I have that same book- also unread- on my desk too! I figure if someone's out there identifying our faults we at least ought to be able to respond to them intelligently in their own frame of reference. I'm intrigued to see what he identifies as poison and what he lets pass....it might be a good blog topic that would get some dialogue going!

Nancy

teresa

How many of those inmates are in jail for violence incited by religious ideas? The greater culture nurtures the violence, modeling the desires that end in, or even seek out, violence. I wonder how much the inmates’ television, fiction, and physical activity is restricted by its concern for violent outcomes. Roger Scruton gave an excellent analysis of Girardian theory at Prospect Magazine, that despite modern imagination, religion is not the cause of violence, but the solution to it. Prisons are distillations of our culture; thinking you’ll curb violence in them by removing a few books is like stuffing yourself on cake every day and thinking you’ll lose weight by taking a little pill afterward.

nancy

You identify the difference between possibility and probability quite vividly Teresa. Years ago I had a mental health counselor become very concerned about safety on our adolescent unit. She wanted to purge it of potential "weapons". I tried to respect her concern for a reasonable degree of caution, but when she brought the wastepaper basket into the office as contraband, I drew the line. Could it be misused as a weapon? Sure it could. Could we live without it? Not really unless we relished living in trash. Similarly, religion certainly can be used/misused for violent ends, as can the other things you mention: TV, fiction, etc. But life without them (ok, most TV is superfluous, but not all)would be of vastly lesser quality. And given our cultural search for the little pill you mention that will make us lose weight while gorging on cake (witness the latest OTC Alli` craze) maybe the prisons reaction to the books is more consistent than I'd realized. It certainly reflects our world in microcosm in a variety of aspects.

Faith

I don't think Johnny Cash put that much thought into the song. He was never in Folsom Prison and is not from that area, he woludn't have known or possibly even cared. he has Artistic license to write his music.When I preform this song I sing I shot a man in Fresno, just to watch him die. But then I never shot anyone in Reno.

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